supaleague - granted by stsv ...& idsf???

da hat sich der vorstand doch ende 2009 eiligst bemüht, das turnierreglement dahingehend zu verbessern, dass nur im stsv-turnierkalender aufgeführte turniere getanzt werden dürfen.

und nun dies: in einem 6-zeiler als vorspann zu einer idsf-mitteilung über "unregistered events" teilt uns die kommunikationsministerin des stsv in gewohnter eloquenz mit, dass die teilnahme an turnieren der supaleague "vorderhand erlaubt" sei.

heiligs blechle - ist man etwa zur vernunft gekommen? - oder hat man einfach nur kalte füsse, weil gut die hälfte des ohnehin spärlichen nachwuchses zur konkurrenz abzügeln könnte?

handelt der vorstand damit nun gegen das eigene reglement? und was meint wohl king carlos zu solch konsequenter umsetzung der idsf-"visionen"*?

schau' mer mal!

see you in regensdorf

* P.S.: wem die visionen nicht bekannt sind: siehe IDSF VISION 2012; kurzfassung in einer zeile:
"ab 2012 gibt es nur noch uns." - viel spass dabei.

Hallo Ronald

Das sind vielleicht news.
Die kalten Füsse sind vorprogrammiert. Macht gar nichts wenn noch mehr Leute
"zügelt" und der IDSF-Vorstand ist bald noch alleine.

Wir sehen uns in Regensdorf und werden darauf anstossen !!!

Herzliche Grüsse
Bläckpoolfän (Regula)

supaleague - granted by stsv ...& idsf???
da hat sich der vorstand doch ende 2009 eiligst bemüht, das turnierreglement dahingehend zu verbessern, dass nur im stsv-turnierkalender aufgeführte ...
www.swissdancersforum.com/.../supaleague-granted-by-stsv-i...

Moshe has been away for some time - England

The International and the London Ball - the most important competitions.


THE LONDON BALL


Bryan Watson, Carmen, Hans Galke and Andrew Sinkinson were organizing the London Ball (Banner Advert at dancesportinfo) which will be a Dinner and Dance one day and competitions the second day. The venue is the luxurious Inter Continental Hotel. The event was organised by former dancers and the intention to provide dancers with the kind of competition that met their needs.

The competition was open to all and without any political affiliations.

Outstanding Adjudicating panels made up only of Former Professional World Champions were selected

Latin:
Donnie Burns MBE - Alan Fletcher - Lynn Harman - Evelyn Haedrich-Hoermann - Lorraine - Bianka Schreiber - Rudolf Trautz

Ballroom:
Loraine Baricchi - Michael Barr - Peter Eggleton - Janet Gleave - Lindsey Hillier-Tate - Augusto Schiavo - John Wood

Guess what? The IDSF decided they wished to advertise the competition so now we can read on their website.

*2010 The London Ball - Open to the World Dance Events - October 22 and 23, 2010*. London (England)**.
The 2010 London Ball - Open to the World Dance Events - scheduled to be held in London (England) on October 22 & 23, 2010, is not granted by IDSF. Accordingly the IDSF Presidium may take action against any athlete, adjudicator or other official, person or body associated with IDSF or an IDSF Member, who participates in this competition in any way, without any further notice to any of them.

It is sickening and the people making these warped decisions need to be hung ,drawn and quartered. Ask yourself why does IDSF work against the interests, the wishes of the dancers?

3 of the Organisers and 4 of the Adjudicators hold IDSF licences so it will be interesting.

It was the greatest success with excellent entries. Well over 100 couples danced. Professionals and Amateurs. Couples we had seen at the International.

Moshe has seen: Karl Breuer himself, Holger Nietsche and friends

25 COUNTRIES REPRESENTED

AUSTRALIA
AUSTRIA
BULGARIA
CANADA
CHINA
CZECH REPUBLIC
DENMARK
ENGLAND
FINLAND
GERMANY
GREECE
HONG KONG
HUNGARY
ITALY
JAPAN
KOREA
NORWAY
POLAND
PORTUGAL
RUSSIA
SERBIA
SLOVAKIA
SOUTH AFRICA
UKRAINE
USA

WORLD CHAMPION ADJUDICATORS

BALLROOM Amateur Professional

LORAINE BARICCHI 1999 and 2001
MICHAEL BARR 1981 to 1985
PETER EGGLETON 1966: 1969: 1970
JANEL GLEAVE 1973 to 1980
LINDSEY HILLIER –TATE 1986 to 1988
AUGUSTO SCHIAVO 2000
JOHN WOOD 1983 1989

LATIN

DONNIE BURNS MBE 1984 to 1996: 1998
ALAN FLETCHER 1977 to 1981
LYNN HARMAN 1974 1976
EVELYN HAEDRICH-HORMANN 1972
LORRAINE 1962 to 1964
BIANKA SCHREIBER 1997
RUDOLF TRAUTZ 1967: 1969 to 1971

Moshe will write later on regarding this fantastic event

We had a STANDING OVATION for all Amateur Couples that danced and were threat to be banned since they also hold an IDSF License. It remains to be seen what will happen.

This is why Moshe is writing today again:

Chicago, Illinois, United States 03:30 CDT
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http://www.idsf.net/index.tpl?style=news&action=newsItem&id=20
http://www.idsf.net/index.tpl?style=news&action=newsItem&id=105

News
Unregistered events

Registered and Unregistered DanceSport Competitions

Choosing to participate in the IDSF DanceSport system described in our Rules, Codes, regulations and policies, carries with it an obligation to follow one set of common rules and to participate exclusively within that IDSF system.

The IDSF Presidium advises that IDSF athletes, Adjudicators, Chairmen and other officials are authorized to participate in all competitions listed in the "IDSF Competition Calendar" posted on our IDSF Web Site at www.idsf.net .

However, it is the responsibility of all persons to inform themselves regularly by checking these lists to ensure that a competition is currently listed as registered within the IDSF system. In case of doubt, please obtain confirmation in writing from IDSF or a relevant IDSF Member body that a competition is registered within the IDSF system.

A competition that is not listed and registered by either IDSF or any IDSF Member body is presumed to be unregistered, and therefore is presumed to be outside the integrated IDSF system. Athletes, Adjudicators, Chairmen and other officials who wish to continue to participate in the IDSF system should not participate in unregistered competitions. The IDSF Presidium may take action against any person or group associated with IDSF or an IDSF Member body, who participates in a unregistered competition in any way, without any further notice to any of them.

Source: http://www.idsf.net/index.tpl?style=news&action=newsItem&id=20

Source : http://www.idsf.net/index.tpl?style=news&action=newsItem&id=206

To come to a conclusion:

……Yes they took legal advice and know if they (IDSF) ban a couple they will be sued out of existence so tell IDSF they prefer to live within the law rather than the IDSDF way. Tell the couples that their legal rights are they cannot be banned and can win substantial damages.

What ever Karl Freitag says on his website: in Chicago we call it baloney and will not stand any case trial in court. Karl knows this – the cold feet are on.

It remains to be seen whether Karl and his club come to terms with international law and code of conduct in our society or bear the consequences.

Don’t forget: Unregistered Events - The List was getting too long

The list was growing so fast IDSF were getting exhausted. Shame but they now stopped the previous Free Advertising. I suppose it was becoming ever more obvious for visitors from other sports organizations and the media to see the growing rebellion against IDSF and their misguided policies for DanceSport.

The following is the new wording. So now you know dancers if you belong to an IDSF body in whatever country you can no longer enter events unless you first write asking if it is O.K.. You must realize that Mr Freitag personally wants you to know this is because you have "Freedom of Choice". Choice? It is a sick joke. If the Amateurs in your country belong to an IDSF body even if you have no desire to dance so called "IDSF Opens" these rules will apply to you IDSF believe they own you, to use as they wish.
The member countries no longer have any voice in their own affairs.

Wonder what happens when NADB say yes you can dance the Dutch Open and EADA say Yes you can dance London Ball or the Dutch Open or the WDC AL European and WDC AL Worlds and the Freedom to Dance Comp? . Lets hope IDSF respect the independence and autonomy of member nations but we already have the proof that is a forlorn hope, The IDSF presidium have no respect for DanceSport or those in the sport.. There driving force is absolute power and we all know what that brings.

Unregistered events

Registered and Unregistered DanceSport Competitions

Choosing to participate in the IDSF DanceSport system described in our Rules, Codes, regulations and policies, carries with it an obligation to follow one set of common rules and to participate exclusively within that IDSF system.

The IDSF Presidium advises that IDSF athletes, Adjudicators, Chairmen and other officials are authorized to participate in all competitions listed in the "IDSF Competition Calendar" posted on our IDSF Web Site at www.idsf.net .

However, it is the responsibility of all persons to inform themselves regularly by checking these lists to ensure that a competition is currently listed as registered within the IDSF system. In case of doubt, please obtain confirmation in writing from IDSF or a relevant IDSF Member body that a competition is registered within the IDSF system.

A competition that is not listed and registered by either IDSF or any IDSF Member body is presumed to be unregistered, and therefore is presumed to be outside the integrated IDSF system. Athletes, Adjudicators, Chairmen and other officials who wish to continue to participate in the IDSF system should not participate in unregistered competitions. The IDSF Presidium may take action against any person or group associated with IDSF or an IDSF Member body, who participates in a unregistered competition in any way, without any further notice to any of them.

Moshe hopes Dancers have noted the Big 3 The UK Open, Blackpool, The International are NOT on the 2011 Calendar. England has NO events on the Calendar. USA has 2.
Beware competitors. IDSF have NOW CLEARLY LAID OUT their claim to control EVERY dance event ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. That this has been their ultimate dream some of us have known and tried to advise people but now IDSF for the first time tell you very plainly.

Soon IDSF will charge whatever price they wish for membership. They will charge organizers whatever figure they wish to go on the Calendar. Then they will tell you where you can have lessons, buy your costumes, who can or cannot sponsor and on and on it will go. Total control of you and your life is the IDSF ambition. Their dream and your nightmare.

It seems to Moshe the IDSF is in a panic!

They could not keep track of all unregistered events (and even when they did it was a mess). So now they decided that all events outside of their calendar are "off limits".
Perfect freedom of choice: you can only dance where they decide you can, and that is in the competitions they sell themselves!

At least one thing is clear now: dancers, judges, officials, organizers and you name it; you MUST do what they tell you. It's your money, but they will collect and you get what they offer.
It is too sad for words that some of us keep on turning a blind eye to all of this.

Never before it was so clear that IDSF is a dictatorial, totalitarian system. They don't even apologize for what they are doing. If you look at what is written they overrule at their wishes even their own national members whenever they feel like it.

The control of that system might seem difficult, but give them another year and it will be easy: no comps are in it anymore. At least if organizers have any sense.
Who would like to run a local comp (because that is what most of the IDSF-comps are), pay a lot of money to be on a list and be restricted in everything you do? You must be stark raving mad!

Moshe would like to draw the designated reader to the following:
The Dutch Open was licensed by NADB. IDSF regarded it as Unregistered.
The London Ball and the Freedom to Dance Competition Amateur Events were/are licensed by the English IDSF member and the BDC. They were/are regarded as Unregistered by IDSF.

A local IDSF member can regard an event as registered but IDSF can on any whim declare it Unregistered as the above examples show.

Do you realize how many dance events are NOT on the 2011 Calendar, (that includes The UK Open, the British Open, the International all of which are registered by EADA) and entirely ay the mercy of IDSF. How long before an organizer has to pay IDSF to be on the Calendar?

IDSF Rules replace local rules. See the words "obligation to follow one set of common rules"

In the USA, for instance, in the past a local licensed event could employ any NDCA licensed adjudicator in future they can only employ IDSF licensed adjudicators (and probably have to have them approved by IDSF).

Professional events in any country must now be registered with/licensed by the IDSF member. Only IDSF registered athletes may compete. (Well that is the claim. See the Philippine Star Ball Open Letter).

No one may hold a dual license to compete/adjudicate. See the words “to participate exclusively within that IDSF system"
or do you believe adjudicators will be treated differently to competitors Professional and Amateur?

In most countries professionals are organized in bodies not connected with IDSF, but with WDC.

These competitions are now declared "unregistered". Meaning all normal competitions, national titles of the respective national bodies and all continental and world championships of the WDC are "off limit" for registrants of the IDSF. Competitors, athletes, judges, scrutinizers, everybody.

Any judge that therefore judges such an event runs the risk to be punished for officiating at an event, organized by an organization of which he is or may be a member.
The organization is legal, the membership is legal.

How can you even begin to think that this action of IDSF, preventing people to do their work on a completely legal basis, is defendable in any way???
And.... with no notice, but as of today!!
Do I not have the right to be a member of or officiate for a legal organization??
According to IDSF: NO.
If at any time it was the right moment to wave goodbye to IDSF, then it is today!
Not tomorrow, but today.

With mounting widespread discontent from many amateur dancers regarding IDSF bans, IDSF is being forced to be more specific. Mr Karl Freitag (or his henchmen) have now put it plainly. You can only dance in IDSF Presidium approved events.

They have now made it clear the National Organizations are no longer in control of their own members.
In theory at least, the National Organizations should hold the power as they elect the Presidium. However this is only partially true as many of the Presidium positions do not require that their member country nominate the person running for the position. In fact, it is often the Presidium themselves who nominate one of their own as a candidate, thereby perpetuating the same group of individuals in charge. In one case at least a candidate was nominated and elected although his own member country would not support his nomination and wanted to censure him for actions he had taken in his own countries affairs.

The current situation will be resolved only when the IDSF National Associations vote in a new governing body. The current body that took control about 10 years ago unilaterally introduced the banning policy. The National Associations that approved this action did not canvass their members to see if they were in favor of it. Even now this has not been done. The IDSF Presidium stated the policy was necessary because of the IOC. And the member countries accepted that. But this was a fallacy. The countries were deceived and voted on mis-information. In his latest press release Mr. Karl Freitag has at last given up this IOC charade and admitted it is an IDSF Presidium action alone.

There are already a number of countries that are refusing to accept the IDSF usurpation of their powers. Will a leader emerge from this growing group of countries and organize a coup d’état? It is only a matter of time. Can we help quicken this process and begin a new era?

Lets deal with the IDSF statement: "Since we cannot shove the whole cake in the mouth at a time, lets examine taste, and”enjoy” one slice at a time."

IF IDSF recognizes dancers events registered ( interpreted meaning same as recognized=approved=sanctioned ) by their National members and lets ( in which case it is really none of their business any more ) dancers participate in such events, it does not really matter if IDSF has a list of IDSF registered, or unregistered events - or events not on the list - as long as the National members sanction/ register, even approve, or allow by exception their members to attend.

Conflict and confusion would arise if IDSF National members would approve a dance event, and IDSF listed same as Unregistered, and insisted National member punished, or they themselves attempted to punish the dancers, since it is IDSF intent, if we understand correctly, to allow their National members a free hand to decide for themselves which event they wish to sanction, or not?

As long as IDSF stand behind the statement: "A competition that is not listed and registered by either IDSF or any IDSF Member body is presumed to be unregistered", it does not matter if IDSF list shows events a unregistered, so long as National member allows their members to attend.

Moshe says: In the end, dancers (customers) must decide what they want, (Moshe has said this many times before) the dancers must decide if they want to be treated as a herd of farm animals. (or not). The way things go it looks like NO WAY WE ARE A HERD OF FARM ANIMALS.

For the record:
In England competitions that are organized under the BDC (WDC), and therefore not approved by IDSF, are not banned by their national IDSF amateur association EADA.

In the USA competitions organized by NDCA (WDC) are similarly not banned by the countries IDSF national association DanceSport USA.

There are many other countries the IDSF amateur association does not penalize their members from dancing in certain non-IDSF approved competitions. Netherland and Assen being the one that gets most press.

However the tide is changing rapidly.

Moshe would like to advise: Do not be lulled in by the present “publications” from Karl Freitag.

“The day after” could mean, like all politicians: sorry, “I have been misquoted” or:
Sorry :” the wording was taken out of context. “

It remains to be seen on the long run if Karl/IDSF is up to what they have been saying.

What we are looking for is: sustainability – freedom for all dancers. Not regarding; color, race, sex.

All dancers: advocate for the Freedom to Dance because it is your Freedom of Choice, as Karl says correctly!

Moshe
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